Comments on: Considering Eternal Security & the IF Scriptures http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/ Changed into the same image Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:00:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sarah Pratt http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/comment-page-1/#comment-2796 Sarah Pratt Wed, 06 Jul 2011 10:23:44 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=1062#comment-2796 Hi Bob, On ES, the "BIG IF" is always talked about in our home. Great article! Although you per say have not written any more articles following up this one, the other articles about sin are all relative to the topic. "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." 1 John 5:16-18 KJV ALSO, "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." James 5:19-20 KJV Couldn't be clearer here. Scrip tells us that a "brethren" who errs from truth is abiding in death, and can still be converted out of death by correcting his ways! This ES doctrine is the most destructive doctrine in the church. It MUST be spoken against. "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:10-14 KJV Recently my husband and myself have become aware of God's serious admonission to us concerning fellowship with those believers who hold to the ES doctrine. It is a serious command, and hard to swallow, considering the love we have for friends who hold this false belief. But I would rather deny the whole world and obey Christ: "Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 2 John 1:8-12 KJV We see here that God is saying that who ever does not abide or "stay" in the doctrine of Christ doesnt have God. What does it mean to not have God when ES doctrine proports bodly the exact opposite. It claims that no matter what sin is committed, that person has a gaurentee with God and God Himself can not even part from the person. Truth is that the sinner doesnt "have God". What was eye opening to my husband and myself was that this ES doctrine is adressesed so particularly here, and that God commands us to depart form anyone who does not hold this doctrine, being the very teaching that leaving Christs doctrine means means that person doesnt have God. So, therefore, my husband mand myself are spurned on to either depart from our friends who defend ES or to have courage enough to lovingly confront them bringing these particular scriptures and asking them where they stand concerning them. Then based on their response, be ready to seperate from their company permanently. What a blessing to see others who can expound the Word of God in wholesome soundness. The ES doctrine has been doing "despite to the grace of God" and damaging souls for so long. I have personally seen so many believers who have been crippled by believing this false teaching. Their walk is hindered, they are weak to temptaion and can not be delivered from sin. This false teaching is so destructive becasue it in essence removes the FEAR OF GOD from scripture. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Keep up the faith brother, and I PRAISE GOD for your zeal and faithfulness!!!!!!!! Hi Bob,
On ES, the “BIG IF” is always talked about in our home. Great article! Although you per say have not written any more articles following up this one, the other articles about sin are all relative to the topic. “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” 1 John 5:16-18 KJV ALSO, “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” James 5:19-20 KJV Couldn’t be clearer here. Scrip tells us that a “brethren” who errs from truth is abiding in death, and can still be converted out of death by correcting his ways! This ES doctrine is the most destructive doctrine in the church. It MUST be spoken against. “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” Titus 1:10-14 KJV Recently my husband and myself have become aware of God’s serious admonission to us concerning fellowship with those believers who hold to the ES doctrine. It is a serious command, and hard to swallow, considering the love we have for friends who hold this false belief. But I would rather deny the whole world and obey Christ: “Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 1:8-12 KJV We see here that God is saying that who ever does not abide or “stay” in the doctrine of Christ doesnt have God. What does it mean to not have God when ES doctrine proports bodly the exact opposite. It claims that no matter what sin is committed, that person has a gaurentee with God and God Himself can not even part from the person. Truth is that the sinner doesnt “have God”. What was eye opening to my husband and myself was that this ES doctrine is adressesed so particularly here, and that God commands us to depart form anyone who does not hold this doctrine, being the very teaching that leaving Christs doctrine means means that person doesnt have God. So, therefore, my husband mand myself are spurned on to either depart from our friends who defend ES or to have courage enough to lovingly confront them bringing these particular scriptures and asking them where they stand concerning them. Then based on their response, be ready to seperate from their company permanently. What a blessing to see others who can expound the Word of God in wholesome soundness. The ES doctrine has been doing “despite to the grace of God” and damaging souls for so long. I have personally seen so many believers who have been crippled by believing this false teaching. Their walk is hindered, they are weak to temptaion and can not be delivered from sin. This false teaching is so destructive becasue it in essence removes the FEAR OF GOD from scripture. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Keep up the faith brother, and I PRAISE GOD for your zeal and faithfulness!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Thisworld http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/comment-page-1/#comment-2299 Thisworld Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:00:40 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=1062#comment-2299 There is no evidence whatsoever for a belief in any religion. None whatsoever has ever been presented. Rational people don't form beliefs based on books of myths from 2000 years ago. They form beliefs based on observation of evidence. Christianity belongs in the dark ages. There is no evidence whatsoever for a belief in any religion. None whatsoever has ever been presented.

Rational people don’t form beliefs based on books of myths from 2000 years ago. They form beliefs based on observation of evidence.

Christianity belongs in the dark ages.

]]> By: Bob Mutch http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/comment-page-1/#comment-714 Bob Mutch Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:33:37 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=1062#comment-714 Hi Greg, I have considered writting more on this subject but for right now I don't plan on. Thanks! Bob Hi Greg,

I have considered writting more on this subject but for right now I don’t plan on.

Thanks!

Bob

]]> By: Greg http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/comment-page-1/#comment-705 Greg Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:46:12 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=1062#comment-705 Thought any more about follow up articles? Thought any more about follow up articles?

]]> By: Bob Mutch http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/comment-page-1/#comment-251 Bob Mutch Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:15:58 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=1062#comment-251 Hi David; No I have not written any articles on Eternal Security besides this one. I was thinking about this series last week and when I find more time I plan on writing a number of follow up articles. Hi David; No I have not written any articles on Eternal Security besides this one. I was thinking about this series last week and when I find more time I plan on writing a number of follow up articles.

]]> By: David http://morechristlike.com/considering-eternal-security-and-the-if-scriptures/comment-page-1/#comment-246 David Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:29:20 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=1062#comment-246 Did you ever do the follow-ups to these? Curious. Did you ever do the follow-ups to these? Curious.

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