To sing their merits, but tell “your side” of why you are not there?

Why have the site at all? I see it as a help to their cause, if nothing else. If I didn’t know anything about this group, and I saw read this site, I think I’d be interested. Your statements here have the same results as what you call “slander”. It draws attention the them, and you, and also interest in both.

Please pray about why you have this information on here, and to whose end and purpose it’s for. God’s? Yours? Honest Christians seeking truth.

This is written in charity

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Okay I have given this some thought.

1. I will change/remove the posts on my site where they suggests people should go to the R meetings.
2. I will only suggest that people go there that I have discussed the R’s errors with and giving them a firm warning of the dangerous and how attractive the R can seem to be.
3. I will not suggest any new believers or those that are not aware of their errors go there. I will suggest they don’t go.

I have added the following to a number of posts.

Note: 01-21-2010 — I am no longer suggesting that people attend the Church of God Restoration Meetings. I am concerned that someone undiscerning might go there and join up with them only to find out they are not all that they say they are. In fact I am now suggesting that people don’t attend their meetings unless they go with a minister of the Gospel that understands the errors of the group.

I am in a different place than you. I have not been out as long as you have been and I didn’t leave by choice. I also hold to much of what the R teaches, I love (yes love) their outward standard, love their worship form, love the people, and love (yes love) much of what they teach.

I miss them very much and I sit here with tears rolling down my face thinking of all the lovely Christian people in the at group (especially all the beautiful children and young people) that I can’t have fellowship with any more. I feel like I have been robbed of all my friends. I feel like part of my live have been stolen from me.

By God’s grace I have never had a bitter feeling toward them and I love them all. I have always repaid evil toward me with good toward them and slander toward me with my sending up for them before others.

But I know that their has been a final separation and that I could never go back nor would them every want me back.

Glory to God that I have made many good Christian friends that are very zealous for the first two commandments.

Thanks again for your concern and the things that you have pointed out to me that have caused me to think. I think I can learn from anyone and I always love to be found in error so I can change.

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.

Let me mediate and pray on this for a few days and then Lord willing I may get back to you.

Thanks!

Bob.

They are made to believe that if they even consider that anything is amiss with their ministry God will throw them in his dumpster. That only through their “ministry” can they hear from God, that who ever does not agree with Danny Layne is lost. That whoever opposes them is condemned to hell. Those who don’t bow down to the golden image of man-rule are not allowed to visit their grandchildren, parents are dishonored by children, wives are encouraged to separate from husbands.

When I speak of the Restoration in terms like “beast” I am referring to the system, not the individuals deceived by it. Danny made it clear years ago that he believes in the church of God as a system, not as being the people who attend it. His argument in court was that the people come and go but the “church” is separate from them and therefore should own the property. In functioning reality he is the head of the “Restoration” church. Why don’t you ask him if he believe that he is the 7th trumpet angel of Revelation?

>>>It was not “the Restoration” back then.

OTVC is OTVC. Whether it is the Restoration or Guthrie. I agree that Restoration is a 5x or 10x version of Guthrie but it just the same spirit in my view. Sectarian and bigoted against other believers. Thinking they are it. Pointing people to the big golden calf of the demi-god “ME”.

>>>The good we got at the beginning was when we were with the “Guthrie” people that you would now look down your nose on and judge as compromisers, we were still striving to be without man-rule and bigotry back then.

I am sorry Ed but I don’t look down my nose at the Guthrie people. I disagree with their position as I disagree with the Restoration. I couldn’t be part of either. My dear wife Susan told me a while back in one of our conversations about the R that there was a way back for me. I told her I knew that, but in order for me to come back to the Restoration I would have to backslide and forsake God.

>>>Unfortunately it is becoming obvious that it was from the later years that you began to form your fleshly “outward standard” ideologies.

No I think it was still while we were with Guthie that I formed my view and standards on outward things.

>>>But “having begun in the Spirit are we then made perfect by the flesh?”

No not at all. We are make perfect (complete) by Christ and not in the flesh but in our spirit.

>>>Those who trust completely in Jesus are saved, not those who trust in a religious code, a false ministry or belonging to the OTVC.

I agree with this completely!

>>>The clothing and group salvationists are Pharisees.

I agree that those that make clothing and what group you are of are in error. I won’t go as far as you to call them Pharisees. Keep in mind you will be judged the same way you judge (Mat 7:2) and make sure you love mercy.

>>>Your writing betrays your lack of depth of spiritual discernment.

I would agree that I lack spiritual discernment and I thank you for pointing that out. I am doing the best I can to work through all these things and be lead of the Lord. Please remember me in prayer!

>>>I fear you have never “come out” of the real Babylon but only moved across the street.

Well you know what they say. It is one thing to come out of Babylon but another thing to get Babylon out of you.

I am sure I have some of Babylon (confusion) and even some Restorationism left me in. Please pray for me that God will shine his pure line in my pathway that I may be able to see this and make the corrections that I need to make.

I can say though Ed that I love to be instructed, corrected, and rebuked. I rejoice to have my errors revealed so I can forsake them and be more like Christ. So if you feel led to send me a list of the areas in my life where you see I am in the wrong we can pray together and ask the Lord to show me the truth so I can put off all that is false and wrong.

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.

The good we got at the beginning was when we were with the “Guthrie” people that you would now look down your nose on and judge as compromisers, we were still striving to be without man-rule and bigotry back then.

Unfortunately it is becoming obvious that it was from the later years that you began to form your fleshly “outward standard” ideologies. Danny was getting them too. But “having begun in the Spirit are we then made perfect by the flesh?” It is “another gospel” and “another Jesus.” Those who are “in the Spirit” are the children of God, not those who are “made perfect by the flesh.” Paul spent most of his time trying to get that message through over and over again.

Those who trust completely in Jesus are saved, not those who trust in a religious code, a false ministry or belonging to the OTVC. The clothing and group salvationists are Pharisees. They are not trying to evangelize but to switch people from other religious groups to their own. Your writing betrays your lack of depth of spiritual discernment. I fear you have never “come out” of the real Babylon but only moved across the street.