Comments on: Sin Is Not an Option for the Christian http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/ Changed into the same image Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:00:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Tanille http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-2093 Tanille Sun, 22 Aug 2010 03:10:29 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-2093 Fantastic explanation Grant. It is a little concerning that new Christians might come across this and feel that there is no hope for them. I am unsure actually of Bob's view, it sounds quite legalistic, maybe you need to clarify Bob? I posted a long explanation according to my understanding under the post "do Christians lose their salvation if they sin?". In short, we are required to be obedient and seek sanctification (cleanse ourselves of sin). We will be convicted of sin throughout our lives for as Grant said, it's not that we MUST sin, but rather that we DO sin. We are made up of flesh and spirit. We will wrestle between those 2 always. To receive God's grace and forgiveness and salvation we must humble ourselves as the Word says, and acknowledge we are imperfect sinners. I too feel frustrated at this point of view, but I don't think Bob is being arrogant, I think he maybe has a bit of a legalistic view though. Bob, you proved the point we are trying to make yourself, by saying that you are talking about willful sin. What I think you are saying is that you cannot ignore the fact that you need to stop committing a certain sin once God has convicted you of it because then you are acting in rebellion. As Grant said, once we repent, we don't feel condemnation, which is not of God. Conviction is of God. So you are right to say, if that's what you are saying, that we must not act in rebellion. But all sin is equal in GOD'S eyes, willful or not, so it's all the same argument. It's up to God to convict us of sins we don't see in ourselves when we humble ourselves in prayer & ask for revelation, hence the purpose of repentance & Jesus dying on the cross to save us. Repentance is not a one time thing and if you sin after, you're done for. This is living in condemnation. This is what I pick up here, but I can also see how it can come across that you are saying people are trying to make excuses & are therefore feeling defensive because if you're teaching this, then it seems as though you think you are sin free (no difference between willful and non-willful except our awareness of it, & therefore our motivations and purity of heart in cleansing ourselves of sin. God does not distinguish, He expects us to seek sanctification but to be humble enough to know that it's ONLY by His grace we are forgiven as we are all sinners). Fantastic explanation Grant. It is a little concerning that new Christians might come across this and feel that there is no hope for them. I am unsure actually of Bob’s view, it sounds quite legalistic, maybe you need to clarify Bob?

I posted a long explanation according to my understanding under the post “do Christians lose their salvation if they sin?”. In short, we are required to be obedient and seek sanctification (cleanse ourselves of sin). We will be convicted of sin throughout our lives for as Grant said, it’s not that we MUST sin, but rather that we DO sin. We are made up of flesh and spirit. We will wrestle between those 2 always. To receive God’s grace and forgiveness and salvation we must humble ourselves as the Word says, and acknowledge we are imperfect sinners.

I too feel frustrated at this point of view, but I don’t think Bob is being arrogant, I think he maybe has a bit of a legalistic view though. Bob, you proved the point we are trying to make yourself, by saying that you are talking about willful sin. What I think you are saying is that you cannot ignore the fact that you need to stop committing a certain sin once God has convicted you of it because then you are acting in rebellion. As Grant said, once we repent, we don’t feel condemnation, which is not of God. Conviction is of God. So you are right to say, if that’s what you are saying, that we must not act in rebellion. But all sin is equal in GOD’S eyes, willful or not, so it’s all the same argument. It’s up to God to convict us of sins we don’t see in ourselves when we humble ourselves in prayer & ask for revelation, hence the purpose of repentance & Jesus dying on the cross to save us. Repentance is not a one time thing and if you sin after, you’re done for. This is living in condemnation. This is what I pick up here, but I can also see how it can come across that you are saying people are trying to make excuses & are therefore feeling defensive because if you’re teaching this, then it seems as though you think you are sin free (no difference between willful and non-willful except our awareness of it, & therefore our motivations and purity of heart in cleansing ourselves of sin. God does not distinguish, He expects us to seek sanctification but to be humble enough to know that it’s ONLY by His grace we are forgiven as we are all sinners).

]]> By: Grant http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-2027 Grant Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:01:28 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-2027 One thing you must take into account when reading the epistle of 1 John is that John is countering gnostic heresy and influence in the church: there was basically this group of people who were saying God is a dark esoteric hidden God, and that they "the gnostic gurus" had special knowledge of God that allowed them to commit sinful deeds and not have it he sin - i. e. They would claim to have no sin, nor were they confessional about their deeds. They wouldn't just share their supposed "enlightened" knowledge either. It is to a church in the context of these influences that John declares "God is light", "the man who says he is without sin is a liar", "if we confess our sins, He is faithfully and righteous to forgive us... ", and "if we say we have not sinned, we make Him a liar... ". On Rom 10:4 the statement of Christ being the end of the law has in view the law of Moses and the Jews trying to follow it in order to earn a right standing before God. So yes in tuis sense the law is definitely gone. Rom 8:2 - word law here refers to principal or power. Rom 8:3-4 - is stating that the Law could not set the man free from the power of sin and death, but Christ has, for those walking according to the Spirit. Rom 7:4 - yes the Christian is made free from the legal power of the Law. Col 2:14 - up the legal record of our sin has been dealt with on the cross. Rom 3:19-20 - agreed, the role of the law is to condemn men, to give them knowledge of the sinful sin which was already there - so that everyone shuts up when standing before God. 1Tim 1:4 - agreed. Rom 4:15 - I would say you are making a big jump at this point, the text is speaking of the inability of the law to nullify the promise made to Abraham, and that the reason the law was given was to expose the act as sin and bring condemnation accordingly. A act can he sinful even if there is Jo law against it, the law against it doesn't make the act sin, bit exposes it as sin and brings it under judgement. You can see this also from Rom 7:12-13. If you equate sin as transgression of revealed law then Cain murdering Abel was not sin, nor his lying to God, nor Adams accusation against God for about God being the one that gave him the woman 'Eve'. Yet we know these thing are sinful acts deserving of judgement. The Christian's can't sin theorem is true only in that their sin no longer affects their standing before God, or brings condemnation upon them. A Christian husband can still lie to his wife which is a sinful act, and some do from time to time. The difference between the man under grace vs the one under the law is that the one under law receives God as a punitive Judge, and the Christian receives God as a loving Father, which will discipline him for his good. G One thing you must take into account when reading the epistle of 1 John is that John is countering gnostic heresy and influence in the church: there was basically this group of people who were saying God is a dark esoteric hidden God, and that they “the gnostic gurus” had special knowledge of God that allowed them to commit sinful deeds and not have it he sin – i. e. They would claim to have no sin, nor were they confessional about their deeds. They wouldn’t just share their supposed “enlightened” knowledge either.

It is to a church in the context of these influences that John declares “God is light”, “the man who says he is without sin is a liar”, “if we confess our sins, He is faithfully and righteous to forgive us… “, and “if we say we have not sinned, we make Him a liar… “.

On Rom 10:4 the statement of Christ being the end of the law has in view the law of Moses and the Jews trying to follow it in order to earn a right standing before God. So yes in tuis sense the law is definitely gone.

Rom 8:2 – word law here refers to principal or power.
Rom 8:3-4 – is stating that the Law could not set the man free from the power of sin and death, but Christ has, for those walking according to the Spirit.

Rom 7:4 – yes the Christian is made free from the legal power of the Law.

Col 2:14 – up the legal record of our sin has been dealt with on the cross.

Rom 3:19-20 – agreed, the role of the law is to condemn men, to give them knowledge of the sinful sin which was already there – so that everyone shuts up when standing before God.

1Tim 1:4 – agreed.

Rom 4:15 – I would say you are making a big jump at this point, the text is speaking of the inability of the law to nullify the promise made to Abraham, and that the reason the law was given was to expose the act as sin and bring condemnation accordingly. A act can he sinful even if there is Jo law against it, the law against it doesn’t make the act sin, bit exposes it as sin and brings it under judgement. You can see this also from Rom 7:12-13.

If you equate sin as transgression of revealed law then Cain murdering Abel was not sin, nor his lying to God, nor Adams accusation against God for about God being the one that gave him the woman ‘Eve’. Yet we know these thing are sinful acts deserving of judgement.

The Christian’s can’t sin theorem is true only in that their sin no longer affects their standing before God, or brings condemnation upon them.

A Christian husband can still lie to his wife which is a sinful act, and some do from time to time. The difference between the man under grace vs the one under the law is that the one under law receives God as a punitive Judge, and the Christian receives God as a loving Father, which will discipline him for his good.

G

]]> By: Haz http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-2023 Haz Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:58:57 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-2023 Hi Bob, 1John is not written specifically to Christians. If you read it from beginning of chapter 1 you can see that it is declaring life to those in darkness so that they too can have fellowship with the Father. When we read chapter 2 where it says "that ye sin not..." we should ask ourselves what sin definition? Is it transgression of the law, or unbelief, or blasphemy etc? It refers to transgression of the law of sin and death so we would read it as "if any man sin (i.e is under the law and transgresses it), we have an advocate....." Such a person is not a Christian and needs to believe on Jesus Christ. As you are aware of the importance of using God's definitions, etc, you would be aware that what the law says it says to those under it. Christrians are set free from the law hence we cannot be accused of transgression ( SIN ) of this law Jesus set us free from. Thanks, Harold Hi Bob,

1John is not written specifically to Christians. If you read it from beginning of chapter 1 you can see that it is declaring life to those in darkness so that they too can have fellowship with the Father.

When we read chapter 2 where it says “that ye sin not…” we should ask ourselves what sin definition? Is it transgression of the law, or unbelief, or blasphemy etc?

It refers to transgression of the law of sin and death so we would read it as “if any man sin (i.e is under the law and transgresses it), we have an advocate…..” Such a person is not a Christian and needs to believe on Jesus Christ.

As you are aware of the importance of using God’s definitions, etc, you would be aware that what the law says it says to those under it. Christrians are set free from the law hence we cannot be accused of transgression ( SIN ) of this law Jesus set us free from.

Thanks,

Harold

]]> By: bob http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-2020 bob Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:00:47 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-2020 Hi Haz, If Christians can't sin because of the reason you have posted why would John write to Chrisitans that "if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ"? Bob. Hi Haz,

If Christians can’t sin because of the reason you have posted why would John write to Chrisitans that “if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ”?

Bob.

]]> By: Haz http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-2019 Haz Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:56:49 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-2019 You are right that most do not use God's definitions of "sin". I read your article on sin definitions but I will use quotes from God's word instead. So, what are God's definitions of "sin"? One definition is found in 1John3:4, i.e transgression of the law. So when God said in 1John3:6-9 that Christians "do not sin", He gave a definition a few verses before that for us to understand what He is saying. Now we know the context "sin" is being spoken of here, i.e “sin” is transgression of the law of sin and death. So why does He say Christians "do not sin:? Are Christians still under this law or did Jesus fulfill this law on the cross for us? God's answer below. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW Romans 8:2-4 Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE FROM THE LAW of sin and death. Romans 7:4 you also have become DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ Colossians 2:14 having WIPED OUT the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, having NAILED IT TO THE CROSS Romans 3:19.20 we know that whatever the law says, IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW 1Timothy 1:9 the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS PERSON (I.E Christians), BUT FOR the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for SINNERS Romans 4:15 the law brings about wrath; for where there is NO LAW THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION. (i.e where no law is there is NO SIN). So we see Christians "do not sin" as God says and this is because they are no longer under the law of sin and death. Remember Rom3:19,20 that what the law says it says only to those who are under it. So "sin " is a label applied to those under the law who transgress it, i.e "sin". Hence Christians "do not sin". Although Christians do wrong things, being set free from the law we cannot be accused of transgressing it, i.e SIN, because where no law is there is no transgression (Rom4:15). Instead God chastises those He loves. There are other definitions of sin such as unbelief (John16:9) and blasphemy etc and here Christians do not sin either. Thanks. Haz You are right that most do not use God’s definitions of “sin”.
I read your article on sin definitions but I will use quotes from God’s word instead.
So, what are God’s definitions of “sin”?
One definition is found in 1John3:4, i.e transgression of the law.

So when God said in 1John3:6-9 that Christians “do not sin”, He gave a definition a few verses before that for us to understand what He is saying. Now we know the context “sin” is being spoken of here, i.e “sin” is transgression of the law of sin and death.

So why does He say Christians “do not sin:?

Are Christians still under this law or did Jesus fulfill this law on the cross for us? God’s answer below.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW

Romans 8:2-4 Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE FROM THE LAW of sin and death.

Romans 7:4 you also have become DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ

Colossians 2:14 having WIPED OUT the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, having NAILED IT TO THE CROSS

Romans 3:19.20 we know that whatever the law says, IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW

1Timothy 1:9 the law is NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS PERSON (I.E Christians), BUT FOR the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for SINNERS

Romans 4:15 the law brings about wrath; for where there is NO LAW THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION. (i.e where no law is there is NO SIN).

So we see Christians “do not sin” as God says and this is because they are no longer under the law of sin and death. Remember Rom3:19,20 that what the law says it says only to those who are under it. So “sin ” is a label applied to those under the law who transgress it, i.e “sin”. Hence Christians “do not sin”. Although Christians do wrong things, being set free from the law we cannot be accused of transgressing it, i.e SIN, because where no law is there is no transgression (Rom4:15). Instead God chastises those He loves.

There are other definitions of sin such as unbelief (John16:9) and blasphemy etc and here Christians do not sin either.

Thanks.

Haz

]]> By: Grant http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-1941 Grant Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:45:08 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-1941 I kinda came upon this blog looking for help in my own struggles against sin and temptation.., in the article I only found discouragement and in these comments I only found sadness. Always remember in the parable it was the sinner crying to God for mercy that went out justified. But also remember the commandment was sin no more. If it really was possible for us to always walk in perfect obedience I doubt John would have wrote of that men who say they have no sin are liars and the truth is not in them. The thing is, it is never a case of you must sin, but rather a case of we do sin - and when we do it is we that are at fault - there is no room for a necessary consequence or victim hood defenses. The power of Christ is mighty to deliver from all sorts of malady, but sinless perfection is not on the cards this side of eternity..., at least for me it isn't even though I want to be more obedient and honouring to Jesus (and yes I pray for this regularly). One last thing: sin, at least a biblical definition of it, is any deviation from perfect christlikeness whether motive, action, inaction, mood under which whatever is done. Sin after all is missing the mark or target, and that target just happens to be perfection. With regards to law, it exposes sin and makes plain the presence of imperfection in the man. I must be honet one of the main hopes I have as a Christian is release from my old flesh and looking to the day when I will see Him as He is in a body no longer constantly at the mercy of every whim lust and distraction. Anyways I got to go sleep. Nn, G I kinda came upon this blog looking for help in my own struggles against sin and temptation.., in the article I only found discouragement and in these comments I only found sadness. Always remember in the parable it was the sinner crying to God for mercy that went out justified. But also remember the commandment was sin no more.

If it really was possible for us to always walk in perfect obedience I doubt John would have wrote of that men who say they have no sin are liars and the truth is not in them. The thing is, it is never a case of you must sin, but rather a case of we do sin – and when we do it is we that are at fault – there is no room for a necessary consequence or victim hood defenses. The power of Christ is mighty to deliver from all sorts of malady, but sinless perfection is not on the cards this side of eternity…, at least for me it isn’t even though I want to be more obedient and honouring to Jesus (and yes I pray for this regularly).

One last thing: sin, at least a biblical definition of it, is any deviation from perfect christlikeness whether motive, action, inaction, mood under which whatever is done. Sin after all is missing the mark or target, and that target just happens to be perfection. With regards to law, it exposes sin and makes plain the presence of imperfection in the man.

I must be honet one of the main hopes I have as a Christian is release from my old flesh and looking to the day when I will see Him as He is in a body no longer constantly at the mercy of every whim lust and distraction.

Anyways I got to go sleep.

Nn,
G

]]> By: bob http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 bob Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:43:55 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-1792 Hi gfdgjdjtdjrvhevseryrhjtdkbpiu, No one has a glorified body yet but we can be kept by the power of God through faith from all sinning. No one can be obedient through their own effects but only by looking to God and standing on his promises. Here are a few of the promises for you to consider. Lk 10:19 over all the power of the enemy Mk 9:23 all things are possible to him that believeth Mk 11:24 what things soever ye desire Rom 8:31 God be for us, who can be against us Rom 8:37 more than conquerors Rom 12:21 overcome evil with good 1Cor 10:13 make a way of escape 1Cor 15:57 giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ 2Cor 2:14 always causeth us to triumph 2Cor 9:8 all grace abound toward you 2Cor 12:9-10 my grace is sufficient Eph 1:3 blessed us with all spiritual blessings Eph 1:19 exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward Eph 3:20 able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask Eph 6:13 that ye may be able to stand Phil 2:13 to will and to do Col 1:29 which worketh in me mightily 1Ti 1:14 grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant 2Thess 3:3 keep you from evil Heb 4:16 find grace to help in time of need Heb 12:3-4 consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners 2Pet 1:3 given unto us all things 2Pet 1:10 ye shall never fall 1Joh 2:13 ye have overcome the wicked one 1Joh 2:14 ye are strong 1Joh 4:4 greater is he that is in you 1Joh 5:4 the victory that overcometh the world even our faith 1Joh 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world Jude 1:24 able to keep you from falling Rev 12:11 they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony Christian love and prayers, Bob. Hi gfdgjdjtdjrvhevseryrhjtdkbpiu,

No one has a glorified body yet but we can be kept by the power of God through faith from all sinning. No one can be obedient through their own effects but only by looking to God and standing on his promises.

Here are a few of the promises for you to consider.

Lk 10:19 over all the power of the enemy
Mk 9:23 all things are possible to him that believeth
Mk 11:24 what things soever ye desire
Rom 8:31 God be for us, who can be against us
Rom 8:37 more than conquerors
Rom 12:21 overcome evil with good
1Cor 10:13 make a way of escape
1Cor 15:57 giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ
2Cor 2:14 always causeth us to triumph
2Cor 9:8 all grace abound toward you
2Cor 12:9-10 my grace is sufficient
Eph 1:3 blessed us with all spiritual blessings
Eph 1:19 exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward
Eph 3:20 able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask
Eph 6:13 that ye may be able to stand
Phil 2:13 to will and to do
Col 1:29 which worketh in me mightily
1Ti 1:14 grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant
2Thess 3:3 keep you from evil
Heb 4:16 find grace to help in time of need
Heb 12:3-4 consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners
2Pet 1:3 given unto us all things
2Pet 1:10 ye shall never fall
1Joh 2:13 ye have overcome the wicked one
1Joh 2:14 ye are strong
1Joh 4:4 greater is he that is in you
1Joh 5:4 the victory that overcometh the world even our faith
1Joh 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world
Jude 1:24 able to keep you from falling
Rev 12:11 they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.

]]> By: gfdgjdjtdjrvhevseryrhjtdkbpiu http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-1791 gfdgjdjtdjrvhevseryrhjtdkbpiu Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:20:08 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-1791 It's good to know that God has already given some of us glorified/sin free bodies! I'm still waiting on mine... I guess that because I haven't perfected myself in the fires of my own effort, I will be forever lost and ultimately cast into the lake of fire... Take care perfect, pure, sinless creatures.. It’s good to know that God has already given some of us glorified/sin free bodies! I’m still waiting on mine…

I guess that because I haven’t perfected myself in the fires of my own effort, I will be forever lost and ultimately cast into the lake of fire…

Take care perfect, pure, sinless creatures..

]]> By: Paul http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-1321 Paul Sun, 07 Mar 2010 05:58:42 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-1321 Hi, We must not be the hearer who is not a doer, James 1:23. Anyone who disagrees with the main point of this article must not understand the New Covenant (the law of love written in our new heart of flesh), and we better get rid of denominational bias (like Calvinism) and read our bible, study it thoroughly! Workers of iniquity can not enter Heaven! 1 Cor 6:9, Gal. 5:21. Matt 7:20-23 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 13:41-43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 1Cor13:6(Love)Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Titus 2:11-15 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things "speak", and "exhort", and "rebuke" with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Ezek 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Matt 5:16 Let your light shine... Of course, we are saved by grace through faith, not saved by works but by the precious blood of the Lamb, but if we draw back, if we do not continue in his word John 8:31, if we do not depart from iniquity, these works, actions, prove that our faith is dead James 2:17, 2:20, 2:26. We must have a Living Faith that changes, makes us a new creature, cleanses us from sin, keeps us clean, pure, so that wicked one does not touch us. There is Power in the Blood! Do we serve the Jesus of the Bible, or a different jesus? Jesus saves us from being the slave of sin! Victory! Rev 7:9-17 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. I must be in that crowd at all cost! Jesus is the victory! I hope we can all see the light and walk therein. Pray for me, Paul. Hi, We must not be the hearer who is not a doer, James 1:23. Anyone who disagrees with the main point of this article must not understand the New Covenant (the law of love written in our new heart of flesh), and we better get rid of denominational bias (like Calvinism) and read our bible, study it thoroughly! Workers of iniquity can not enter Heaven! 1 Cor 6:9, Gal. 5:21. Matt 7:20-23 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 13:41-43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. Matthew 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 1Cor13:6(Love)Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Titus 2:11-15 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things “speak”, and “exhort”, and “rebuke” with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Ezek 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Matt 5:16 Let your light shine… Of course, we are saved by grace through faith, not saved by works but by the precious blood of the Lamb, but if we draw back, if we do not continue in his word John 8:31, if we do not depart from iniquity, these works, actions, prove that our faith is dead James 2:17, 2:20, 2:26. We must have a Living Faith that changes, makes us a new creature, cleanses us from sin, keeps us clean, pure, so that wicked one does not touch us. There is Power in the Blood! Do we serve the Jesus of the Bible, or a different jesus? Jesus saves us from being the slave of sin! Victory! Rev 7:9-17 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. I must be in that crowd at all cost! Jesus is the victory! I hope we can all see the light and walk therein. Pray for me, Paul.

]]> By: bob http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-1311 bob Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:08:01 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-1311 Hi Christian, The Lord bless you and think you for leaving your comment. First I don't think I am better than others. I do think that Jesus has changed my life and that I am in the favor of God. Certainly this has been a change "for the better". I am promoting that people not only take the beam and moot out of there eye but that they help their brethren with their beams. And by beams I am talking about things the Bible tells us to cast off not man made rules. I would fault and reprove professing Christians for willful and known sins. These I would not call toothpick faults. Calling me a "bully, basher and liar" and "hypocrite" seem quite judgmental seeing how you don't know me and we have never met. To me it seems you are doing quite a bit of judging here yourself. I think God delights in my prayers and I have lost my life and now have the life of Christ. May the Lord bless you as you seek to be a blessing to others. Christian love and prayers, Bob. Hi Christian,

The Lord bless you and think you for leaving your comment.

First I don’t think I am better than others. I do think that Jesus has changed my life and that I am in the favor of God. Certainly this has been a change “for the better”.

I am promoting that people not only take the beam and moot out of there eye but that they help their brethren with their beams. And by beams I am talking about things the Bible tells us to cast off not man made rules.

I would fault and reprove professing Christians for willful and known sins. These I would not call toothpick faults.

Calling me a “bully, basher and liar” and “hypocrite” seem quite judgmental seeing how you don’t know me and we have never met.

To me it seems you are doing quite a bit of judging here yourself.

I think God delights in my prayers and I have lost my life and now have the life of Christ.

May the Lord bless you as you seek to be a blessing to others.

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.

]]> By: Christian http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-1310 Christian Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:52:36 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-1310 Bob Ha ha ah you are taking false pot shots at the others still.. Heal yourself.. One reason too many wicked persons like do not repent it cause they seem to think they are better over others, when they are the same, and the toothpick faults they see in others is a beam in their own eyes and that is why they are so conscious of it too now in reality. In truth now you are merely another too typical. common, confused bully, basher and liar in reality.. for firstly you need to look at yourself really and stop lying when you say you do not judge others for you are another hypocrite ... you clearly like to make yourself look good by trying to paint a bad picture of others under the disguise of helping, praying for them, God likley does not even hear your prayers in reality .. get your own real life in Jesus first., Bob

Ha ha ah you are taking false pot shots at the others still.. Heal yourself.. One reason too many wicked persons like do not repent it cause they seem to think they are better over others, when they are the same, and the toothpick faults they see in others is a beam in their own eyes and that is why they are so conscious of it too now in reality. In truth now you are merely another too typical. common, confused bully, basher and liar in reality.. for firstly you need to look at yourself really and stop lying when you say you do not judge others for you are another hypocrite … you clearly like to make yourself look good by trying to paint a bad picture of others under the disguise of helping, praying for them, God likley does not even hear your prayers in reality .. get your own real life in Jesus first.,

]]> By: Bob Mutch http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-849 Bob Mutch Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:35:51 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-849 Hi thenonconformer, If this is the case you need to find yourself a new set of Christian friends. There are 1000's of people living above the false teaching of sin-you-must. Thanks! Bob. Hi thenonconformer,

If this is the case you need to find yourself a new set of Christian friends. There are 1000’s of people living above the false teaching of sin-you-must.

Thanks!

Bob.

]]> By: Bob Mutch http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-848 Bob Mutch Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:33:18 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-848 Hi thenonconformer, I guess it depends on your definition of sin. If you see mistakes, lacks in the fruit of the Spirit, and errors as sins then of course we are all sinners and only a fool would deny this. But if you see sin as a willful and known act of disobedience against a known commandment of God that is a different matter. 1Cor 10:13; 2Thess 3:3; 2Pet 1:10; and Jude 1:20 tell us God is able, is faithful to, and will make a way of escape from temptation. So the questions is not is it possible to live free from willful and known sinning, but why don't professing Christians take the way out from temptation that God makes. The scriptures you quoted (1Ki 8:46; 2Chro 6:36; Eccl 7:20) are written pre-Christ. We now have a better sacrifice (Heb 9:23), better mediator (Heb 8:6), a better high priest (Heb 7:26), better promises (Heb 8:6), and a better covenant (Heb 8:6), which all speak of better things (Heb 12:24) that being "captivity to the law of sin" (Rom 7:23) and the "good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do" (Rom 7:19). The New Covenant scriptures are very clear that the "law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" under this new covenant makes us "free from the law of sin and death" which the law "could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh". We which now believe "are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses" (Act 13:39). If this is something that has been hide from you and you have not seen this then I can only suggest that you "examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith" (2 Cor 3:15). The Calvinist delusion that the best the blood of Christ can do is leave us sinning and repenting as they did in under the old covenant will be responsible for damning more souls than the bars and clubs. Christian love and prayers, Bob. Hi thenonconformer,

I guess it depends on your definition of sin. If you see mistakes, lacks in the fruit of the Spirit, and errors as sins then of course we are all sinners and only a fool would deny this. But if you see sin as a willful and known act of disobedience against a known commandment of God that is a different matter.

1Cor 10:13; 2Thess 3:3; 2Pet 1:10; and Jude 1:20 tell us God is able, is faithful to, and will make a way of escape from temptation. So the questions is not is it possible to live free from willful and known sinning, but why don’t professing Christians take the way out from temptation that God makes.

The scriptures you quoted (1Ki 8:46; 2Chro 6:36; Eccl 7:20) are written pre-Christ. We now have a better sacrifice (Heb 9:23), better mediator (Heb 8:6), a better high priest (Heb 7:26), better promises (Heb 8:6), and a better covenant (Heb 8:6), which all speak of better things (Heb 12:24) that being “captivity to the law of sin” (Rom 7:23) and the “good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do” (Rom 7:19).

The New Covenant scriptures are very clear that the “law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” under this new covenant makes us “free from the law of sin and death” which the law “could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh”. We which now believe “are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses” (Act 13:39).

If this is something that has been hide from you and you have not seen this then I can only suggest that you “examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Cor 3:15). The Calvinist delusion that the best the blood of Christ can do is leave us sinning and repenting as they did in under the old covenant will be responsible for damning more souls than the bars and clubs.

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.

]]> By: thenonconformer http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-846 thenonconformer Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:08:47 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-846 >>>Are you saying that if a person holds you can live free from sin Yes they can in theory other wise God would not demand holliness from us but in practice no one does but Jesus alone. >>>Are you saying that if a person holds you can live free from sin

Yes they can in theory other wise God would not demand holliness from us but in practice no one does but Jesus alone.

]]> By: thenonconformer http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-845 thenonconformer Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:06:12 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-845 Yeah we can live with out sin, dream on. We can always lie that we do not sin. Do always pray for me too, always much appreciated, we all need prayer. It always amazed me the so-called perfect divorcing evangelical wife even, actually an economic and physical prostitute and her perverse lawyers, can so easily see all of the spouses' sins still cannot even see their own, and why was that? The devil still controls what they do and can see. Now for those sinless liars: (1 Ki 8:46 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near; (2 Chr 6:36 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near; (Eccl 7:20 KJV) For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Yeah we can live with out sin, dream on. We can always lie that we do not sin.

Do always pray for me too, always much appreciated, we all need prayer.

It always amazed me the so-called perfect divorcing evangelical wife even, actually an economic and physical prostitute and her perverse lawyers, can so easily see all of the spouses’ sins still cannot even see their own, and why was that? The devil still controls what they do and can see.

Now for those sinless liars:

(1 Ki 8:46 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

(2 Chr 6:36 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

(Eccl 7:20 KJV) For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

]]> By: Bob Mutch http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-767 Bob Mutch Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:58:52 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-767 Steve, Are you saying that if a person holds you can live free from sin and that they are living free from sin they don't understand sin? Thanks! Bob. Steve,

Are you saying that if a person holds you can live free from sin and that they are living free from sin they don’t understand sin?

Thanks!

Bob.

]]> By: Steve http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-753 Steve Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:20:02 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-753 Nonconformer. You're seriously wrong. I'll pray for you. We can live without sinning, by continuous miracle. This is possible, but not usual. If you think you're living without sinning - then you just don't understand sin. Nonconformer. You’re seriously wrong. I’ll pray for you. We can live without sinning, by continuous miracle. This is possible, but not usual. If you think you’re living without sinning – then you just don’t understand sin.

]]> By: Bob Mutch http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-124 Bob Mutch Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:17:41 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-124 Hi thenonconformer; I go a step further and hold that the Bible teaches that those that sin are no longer a child of God (1Joh 3:15). Hi thenonconformer; I go a step further and hold that the Bible teaches that those that sin are no longer a child of God (1Joh 3:15).

]]> By: thenonconformer http://morechristlike.com/sin-is-not-an-option-for-the-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-120 thenonconformer Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:57:11 +0000 http://morechristlike.com/?p=3743#comment-120 sin is never an option or a right sin is never an option or a right

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