>>>why would He abandon it?

1. We are told in the word of God that the 10 commandments, called the ministration of death, have been “done away”.

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious… For if that which is done away was glorious…” 2Cor 3:7, 11.

If the Bible says the ministration of death which was written and engraven on stones was done away why do you say it is still in effect? Do you believe that 2Cor 3:7 is referring to the 10 commandments?

2. The mosaic law was to point us to and to bring us to Christ.

“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” Gal 3:24-25.

3. Now that the dispensation of grace has come we are no “longer under a schoolmaster.”

“But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” Gal 3:25

Do you believe that the Mosaic Law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? And why don’t you believe that we are no longer under it?

4. Further Jesus changed many things that were in the law not just the sacrifices.

Divorce and Remarriage — Under the Mosaic law you could put away wife if you “found some uncleanness in her” (Deut 24:1) and both could remarry. In the New Covenant if some one marries a put away their spouse and either remarries they commit adultery.

“It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.” Mat 5:31-32

Adultery — Under the Mosaic law it was the act of adultery now it is when you look at a person with lustful desires to commit adultery with them.

Matt 5:27-28Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Oaths — Under the Old Covenant you were to make oaths by God’s name (Deut 6:13). Under the New Covenant you are not to make any oaths.

5:33-34 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:

Non-Resistance — Under the Old Covenant it was an eye for an eye (Ex 21:24). Under the New Covenant you are not to resist evil and when some one smites you to turn the other cheek.

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Mat 5:38-39

Love Your Enemy — While under the Old Covenant there is no commandment to hate your enemies but at the same time there is no commandment to love your enemies. Under the New Covenant we are told to love, bless, do good, and pray for our enemies.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mat 5:43-44.

Do you believe that there is a clear change in the Mosaic law in these four areas? If there a change in these four areas how can you maintain that it is still in effect?

5. Here are some scriptures that show that the Mosaic law is passed, was until John, Christians are not under and are dead to, Christ was the end, was done away, added only until Christ came, no longer under, we are to cast it out, has been changed, was faulty, old, decaying, was ready to vanish when Hebrews was written, and God has taken it away.

Mat 5:17-18 not pass until fulfilled, came to fulfill
Luk 16:16 law until John
Luk 24:44 all things must be fulfilled
Acts 13:29 fulfilled all that was written of him
Rom 6:14 not under the law
Rom 7:4 dead to the law
Rom 10:4 Christ is the end of the law
2Cor 3:6-12 was to be, which is done away
Gal 3:19 was added till Christ
Gal 3:24-25 no longer under schoolmaster
Gal 4:22-31 cast out the bondwoman
Gal 5:18 not under the law
Heb 7:11-12 change of the law
Heb 8:6-13 not faultless, old, decaying, ready to vanish away
Heb 10:9 take away the first covenant

Truly it is mystery that in the face of these clear scriptures people still claim the Mosaic law is in effect.

Also Peter for us to have a meaningful discussion I would suggest you address the points that I made. In my first post to you I made to points that you didn’t appear to address.

It is easy to declare one’s position but it is more difficult to address objections to ones position. I have addressed any questions you have posted and I am expecting you do to the same with mine. This way we can have a more meaningful discuss.

If you feel like I have not addressed any of your points please let me know and I will do my best to address them with the help of the Lord.

With the help of the Lord may we learn from each other.

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.

To me, it is understandable that, although Yahweh inaugurated the ‘New’ covenant – He didn’t abandon the holy Law that He’d set in stone, written with His own finger, and expanded all of the details of this summary to Moses on Mount Sinai.

This ‘New’ covenant was only ‘New’ because He replaced the stone tablets (which are external) with a spiritual desire to willingly fulfil the same commandments – not through outward instruction, but through an everlasting and complete love for our Almighty Father.

Before grace had been dispensed through Yahweh’s Son (Yahushua), mankind lived under the first covenant, Hebrews 9:6-8 makes it clearer:

When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.

Grace IS Yahushua’s blood, spilt for us – NOT Yahweh just abandoning His Law, It is a ‘fail-safe’, an element of His love for us in case we unknowingly or accidentally fail to obey His Holy Law which is forever in force. This is clearly pointed out in Hebrews when it says (in Hebrews 9:15):

For this reason Christ is the mediator (intermediary, negotiator, diplomat, representative) of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

The love previously relied on, during the first/old covenant, had used our humanity alone, but after the death of Yahushua – through our recognition, understanding and acceptance of the reason for His death, His spirit was then able to live within each willing individual. This of course was equivalent to ‘writing the law on our hearts’, which enabled and ensured an obedience which was internal and willing, rather than external and forced. As Yahushua now resided, as an intermediary or diplomat, within each willing (and therefore obedient) follower of Yahushua’s Father (Yahweh) – we then were able to become the adopted Son’s of Yahweh.

In Deut. 30:11 (at the end of the Torah) it says: Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.

My love and complete devotion to Yahweh makes it easier (not easy) –
to NOT love the ways of the world, but to love Him –
and because I love Him I DO as He wants, not what I want.

If you teach that the Mosaic law much be kept for salvation you are teaching justification by the law and you have fallen from grace. Gal 5:4.

If you are going to keep part of the Mosaic law your are a debtor to do the whole law. Gal 5:2-3.

Bob.

In addition to the Decalogue, Leviticus contains the laws (in greater detail) to be obeyed. It also contains the punishments (and the sacrifices to be made) for breaking these laws. As Christ became our eternal sacrifice – all we have to do is be obedient to the laws – the laws haven’t been dissolved/abolished, if we continue to break them after being made aware (and accepting Christ’s sacrifice for our past), there is no longer any sacrifice for our disobedience (As Hebrews 10:26 makes clear).

Our past has been forgiven (through Christ’s sacrifice), the temple (physical) has been destroyed in 70AD (destroying the legitimate place for sacrifices to be made) – and (as it says in Deuteronomy 30:11-14)

The Offer of Life or Death

Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

Those of us in the spirit can at least acknowledge that Exodus 20:3-12 gives us some idea of ‘how’ to love Yahweh; whilst Exodus 20:13-17 tells us how to love our neighbour. These two are stated by Christ in Matthew 22:37-39.

With His blessings, Peter

I’ve been studying this topic recently, over maybe the past few months, and this article looks like it may be very helpful with my studying of this topic. This article seems to be FILLED with scriptural evidence to back up what it is saying. Thank you!

May the Lord’s peace and blessings be with His people. Amen.

I will take some time to meditate on your point this week and see if I can’t convey my position better. Thank you for pointing this error out!

Christian love and prayers,

Bob.