Sep 23

True Conversion to become Christ like, you first must be truly converted. If you’re living in willful disobedience to God (Eph 5:6), you are still in the kingdom of darkness and need to be translated into God’s kingdom (Col 1:13). There is no place for disobedience (Joh 14:24; 1Joh 2:3-4) in the believer’s experience at all.

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
1Jn 2:3, 4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

By God’s unmerited favor (grace) toward mankind, he has promised to draw every person to Christ (Joh 6:44, Joh 1:9, Tit 2:11, 12). This may happen through your reading of the Bible, through listening to someone’s testimony of how they found God, through attending a church meeting, through a dream, through God speaking directly to your heart, or through reading a track or booklet on how to find God.

As God draws you to Christ, by awakening your conscience, you will feel convicted of your sins and reproved for your sinning (Joh 8:9, 16:8). As you consider what your awakened conscience is telling you, you will either defend your sins and make excuses for yourself, or you will agree with your conscience and accept the conviction and reprove.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Tit 2:11, 12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

When you agree with your conscience, the grace (unmerrited favor) of God will begin to work a godly sorrow in your heart for the sinfulness of your life (2Cor 7:10). This godly sorrow will work a hatred in your heart for your sins and a desire to be free from them (Rom 7:15).

In this state of conviction and godly sorrow you will find yourself not able to do the good that you would and the evil that you don’t want to do, you will find yourself committing (Rom 7:19). This conviction and godly sorrow – brought on by the grace of God – will lead you to a crisis decision where you will either reject God and his dealings, or you will repent (Luk 13:3) and be converted.

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Repentance is a complete change in attitude toward your past sinful life and a commitment to completely change and reform your life by the power of God. Your repentance toward God must be with the fruit (Mat 3:8) of a willingness to depart from all sin (2Tim 2:19) and no longer walk in the darkness of sin (Joh 8:12).

When, by grace with godly sorrow and repentance through faith, you believe in your heart (Rom 10:9) on the merits of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and ask God for forgiveness of sins, and believe by faith God has forgiven you (1Joh 1:9; Act 4:12 1Pet 1:9), you are converted and have become a child of God.

Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

After conversion, you are then to go in the power of the Holy Spirit (1Cor 10:13; 2Pet 1:10; Jud 1:24) and sin no more (1Joh 5:18).

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

You will need to beware of those that tell you that all you need to do is “just believe” to be saved. While the Bible clearly says if you “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Act 6:31), the Bible also says that except you repent you will perish (Luk 13:3); that it is godly sorrow that works repentance (2Cor 7:10); and that you must bring forth fruit of repentance (Mat 3:8).

You need to take all that the New Testament says on salvation – not just one verse. You will also need to beware of those professing Christians that have a form of godliness but deny the power of Christ to deliver from committing sin (2Tim 3:5). They hold that the blood is powerless and can not save you from sinning. You are instructed to turn away from such.

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
2Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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12 Responses to “True Conversion”

  1. 1. Bob Mutch Says:

    Hi Fred,

    I would feel the Bible teaches a person is not saved by the merits of any work we do. The English word “works” in Eph 2:9 is from the Greek work ἔργον (ergon) and is defined in Thayer’s Lexicon as follows.

    1) business, employment, that which any one is occupied a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking 2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind 3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

    To answer your questions we must ask what the requirements of being saved are. I would hold that Bible teaches we must have godly sorrow, we must repent, we must commit to forsake all sin, we must believe in our heart, and we must give our will over to God.

    If we define ἔργον (ergon) in Eph 2:9 as an act, deed, thing done we have as follows. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of an act, deed, or thing done, lest any man should boast.”

    So I wouldn’t hold that the Bible teaches that there is no conditions, no requirements, nothing for us to do to be saved but at the same time I hold that the Bible teaches that salvation is a gift of God and is not gotten by the merit of any act, deed, or think done.

    I am married but don’t have any children but I wouldn’t kill either my wife or children (if I had any) if they disobeyed me.

  2. 2. fred Says:

    1) business, employment, that which any one is occupied a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking 2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind 3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

    Ok.
    So a ‘person not saved by works’ would mean that they are NOT SAVED by ANY ACTIONS of their own.
    Yet, you would turn right around, and say a person must ‘repent/pray/confess and so forth, in order to be ’saved’.
    Are ‘repenting/praying/confessing and such not ‘works’?
    Are they not an ‘effort/labor’ of the mind?
    Are their not different STAGES in the salvation process, just as their are different stages in the process of physical life?
    Fetus/embryo
    Babe.
    Child.
    Teen.
    Young adult.
    Middle aged adult.
    Wise grey head.

    Peter, in talking about the coming kingdom, asked Jesus, ‘How oft shall i forgive MY BROTHER?”
    Jesus should of said, “oh, in the coming kingdom, you won’t have to worry about that, no one will offend/sin/miss the mark in any way shape or form!”
    What was his reply?
    70 times 7.

    Was the letter of James written to the saved or the lost?
    Were the ‘carnal’ babes in Christ Paul was dealing with there in 1 Cor lost or saved?
    Paul in speaking concerning the brethren there at Rome when NONE STOOD BY HIM prayed that this ’sin not be layed to their charge. He was NOT referring to the lost!

    “There IS a sin unto death…and there is a sin NOT unto death. I do not say that you should pray for it!”.

    Jesus, in speakng to the scribes and pharisees said, ‘If you were blind, then you would have no sin. But now you say you see, therefore your sin remaineth”.

    The greatest sin that any man or woman can commit is becoming a ‘whited wall’. There IS very little hope for such.

    There are those that believe that a child of God ’sins more or less everyday’.
    There are those that believe a child of God is ’sinlessly perfect’.
    BOTH are err in the 1st degree.
    Walking in the light….is a ‘progressive’ thing.
    A babe in Christ has very little understanding.
    As their understanding grows…what their requirement is, is to KEEP walking in the light…and as they continue to do that, they will be CLEANSED/WASHED as they progress in light.
    What is a child of God ‘washed’ from?
    DIRT? Contamination?

    Do you take a shower, or wash, physically, daily?
    Why?
    Get some ‘dirt on you’?
    The reason that is the way it is, is because it paints the TRUE spiritual picture of walking/working/living in this world.
    The reason God put a ‘laver’ at the entrance of the literal ‘tabernacle’ is because they needed to ‘wash’ EVERYTIME they entered their in.
    Well, there IS also a ‘laver’ at the entrance of the SPIRITUAL tabernacle…and the reason it is THERE is to ‘wash’ EVERYTIME one wants to come before God.
    Wash from what?
    The ‘dirt’ of life!

    So why would God kill children if they disobeyed Him?
    Or is ‘disobedience’ not ’sin’?
    What does God chastise His children for?
    Doing RIGHT…or doing WRONG?
    Might it just be because they MISS THE MARK? [sin]
    We are SURROUNDED by the principals of how THINGS work.
    THe principals of how a PHYSICAL family FUNCTIONS is a portrayal/picture/type of how the SPIRITUAL family operates.
    You would not kill your wife or children for disobeying, yet you would say that God does?
    If ‘disobeying’ is ’sin’ then they ‘die’ when they ‘disobey’.
    Either disobeying isn’t ’sin’ or it is a ’sin’ that doesn’t KILL somebody.
    Not till it gets to the point of REBELLION!!

    Romans 7…..
    Some say it is the picture of a life of a child of God.
    Some say it is a picture of Paul while lost.

    Both are err.

    The TRUTH?

    It is one of the STAGES of growth….that a true child of God GOES THRU….in the SPIRITUAL development from fetus to wise old grey head.

    The DEVIL is a MASTER in providing folks with all KINDS of counterfit ’spiritual experiences’.
    EVERYONE…supposedly ‘based upon the scriptures’.
    The DEVIL is the MOST EXPERT SCRIPTURE QUOTER THAT EVER WAS!!

    We are living in the day and age that is FILLED with deception as never before in the history of our world.
    So much so, that ‘if it were possible’ even the ‘elect’ would be deceived.

    for now…
    brethren there at Jerusalem

  3. 3. fred Says:

    Quote;
    So I wouldn’t hold that the Bible teaches that there is no conditions, no requirements, nothing for us to do to be saved but at the same time I hold that the Bible teaches that salvation is a gift of God and is not gotten by the merit of any act, deed, or think done.

    **********************************************************************************
    To answer your questions we must ask what the requirements of being saved are. I would hold that Bible teaches we must have godly sorrow, we must repent, we must commit to forsake all sin, we must believe in our heart, and we must give our will over to God.

    Unquote.

    If i would ask, what must one “DO” to be ’saved’, then right away we have a ‘catch 22′ situation, in regards to if there are ‘works’ involved or not.

    For the very word “DO” requires an ACT on our part.
    If one doesn’t have to “DO” anything, then the answer would be ‘nothing’.

    If i have to “DO” SOMETHING….anything, then there is a ‘work’ involved.

    There IS a way to put this puzzle together so ALL the pieces FIT!! :)

  4. 4. Bob Mutch Says:

    Hi Fred,

    I don’t think there is a catch 22. The Bible commands us to repent (Luk 13:3). Also John commanded those who where coming to him for the baptism of repentance to “bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance” (Mat 3:8).

    So if you want to call repentance and bringing forth fruits pre-salvation “works” then you will either have to look at Eph 2:8, 9 as salvation is “not by the merits of works” or repentance and pre-salvation fruits are not works in the sense that Eph 2:9 is speak.

    So to me there is no puzzle at all.

    The third position where God does it all and you do nothing is a Calvinist delusion in my view.

    I reject Calvins Nero-god teaching of unconditional election where God is accused of taking pleasure in sending souls to hell for not coming to him while he imputes Adam’s sin to their charge, brings them into this world with a nature that is bent to sinning, and when he sends out his ministers to call the lost to repentance he refuses to give them the grace they need to come to him.

    What an awful charge to make against a just God. God save the world from this blasphemous doctrine.

  5. 5. fred Says:

    I reject Calvinism as well.

    So.
    There is no such thing as ’salvation without works’ then.

  6. 6. fred Says:

    How do these scriptures and the principals taught therein fit into the picture?
    We can’t throw them out, can we?
    He gave us an example of ’salvation without works’.
    And i’m not a ‘calvinist’.
    Far from it.

    Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
    10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
    11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
    12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
    13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
    14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
    15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
    16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

  7. 7. fred Says:

    I don’t think there is a catch 22. The Bible commands us to repent (Luk 13:3).

    Okay. I agree. But WHO? Was he not talking to those that had O.T salvation…and was He not instructing them as to what they had to DO to prepare for the coming kingdom? To make the transition from the old to the new.

    Also John commanded those who where coming to him for the baptism of repentance to “bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance” (Mat 3:8).

    Okay. Same people.

    So if you want to call repentance and bringing forth fruits pre-salvation “works” then you will either have to look at Eph 2:8, 9 as salvation is “not by the merits of works” or repentance and pre-salvation fruits are not works in the sense that Eph 2:9 is speak.

    Salvation is an ever ongoing process. A continual washing as one progresses in light.

    1 Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    “to save them that believe”. We know ‘believing’ is a step one has to make. But, if they stop there, they will never make it. After ‘believing’ the ’saving’ goes on.

    1 Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

    Same thing. CONTINUE in them….and in DOING SO..thou shalt both ’save’ [he was already saved, was he not, but in order to stay saved, there was a CONTINUING that had to take place] and the same with those that heard him.

    I would like to present a scenario.
    Lets say that you had 2 sons.
    And let’s say that you were thinking about giving each one of them a million dollars.
    Now lets say that you had the ability to run their lives on out a ways, in your minds eye, and were able to actually see what each one would do with their million dollars.
    In your foreknowledge, you were able to see that the one son appreciated it and used it very wisely.
    The other son, you saw, gambled it away, and totally wasted it.
    Now let’s say your foreknowledge was absolutely accurate, and you knew it. No if’s and’s or buts.

    Now. KNOWING what you know, are you STILL going to give BOTH sons that million dollars.
    If you say yes, God would call you a fool.
    God wouldn’t. He is a good steward!

    Now let’s picture your sons.
    The one son that isn’t going to get the million dollars is going to feel like he never had a chance!!
    And, to those around him, that didn’t know what YOU know, it would appear the same way!
    They would misjudge you very badly.
    Say you were unfair…unjust. Partial.

    just some things to think about…

  8. 8. Primitive Christianity Says:

    This whole thing of “not of works” gets skewered because people assume that Paul is talking of “doing good deeds”, when in fact he is talking of the “works of the law” (sabbath-keeping, dietary laws, etc). Look it up in John– “He that DOETH NOT righteousness is not of God.”
    I know it sounds heretical to say it, but if we as Christians are not doing good works we will go to hell in the end. The “Real Romans Road” teaches us that (Romans 2:6-11) that those that “those who do evil” will have indignation, wrath, tribulation, and anguish rendered to them. But to those who “continue in well-DOING”, immortality shall be given to them. It sounds heretical, because we have been listening to false prophets. Salvation is salvaging our life, formerly centered in selfish bad works, and making it produce good works. If we are not salvaged from doing evil works, what are we salvaged from?
    Peace,
    Mike

  9. 9. steven shepard Says:

    It is the all sufficient and finished work of Christ that saves once and for all. This salvation is received by faith alone with nothing added. But this faith is a living faith which always produces works as a fruit. God does not take pleasure in anyone going to hell. Yet, no sinner who is spiritually dead in his own strength will ever repent, believe, or continue in faith. Salvation is God’s work from beginning to end. Those whom God elects, He calls, justifies, and glorifies (Rom 8:30). Once God begins a good work, He never stops until that person is brought to perfection (Philip 1:6), so that no one who has been truly converted by God’s grace will ever completely fall away so as to lose his salvation. God is committed with covenant love to save His own.

  10. 10. Bob Mutch Says:

    Hi Steven,

    As noted salvation has requirements. The Calvinist god takes pleasure in sending people (and children) to hell. The Arminian God doesn’t.

    Those whom God elects but how does he elect them. Unconditionally or based on His foreknowledge of how they will respond?

    I read in the Bible of those who cast off their first faith having damnation.

  11. 11. steven shepard Says:

    It is not our deeds or merit that gain salvation, but entirely the finished work of Christ on the cross. I believe that we receive the salvation that Christ worked on the cross by placing our entire trust (faith) in Christ alone and not in anything else like our own works, sacraments, or the church. Salvation is through faith in Christ alone adding nothing. (Rom 3:20-28; Eph 2:8-9; Acts 13:39; John 6:29; 40; 47; Acts 16:30-31) God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezek 33:11). But no one deserves salvation. We all deserve His judgment. Yet, it has pleased God by His mercy to save a great multitude. No one left to himself would have ever chosen to submit his heart to Christ. This is contrary to our sinful natures.(John 6:44; Romans 8:7-8) But God, by His mercy gives new life, changes hearts, and gives the gift of faith. Some, however, he leaves to follow their own sinful desires and nature; and they will receive the justice they deserve. Others who believe receive mercy. But they believe only because of God’s sovereign grace in their lives. As Acts 13:48 says, “as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” If election were based on foreknowledge that would read, “as many as believed were ordained…” Our believing is the result of His ordaining us, and calling us to Himself (Rom 8:30). This calling was given us even before time began (2 Tim 1:9). God will be glorified both through His mercy and the manifestation of His righteous judgment against that which is evil. I believe that the ones who “cast off their faith” only had a human faith or an outward profession,but not a living faith or a genuine conviction coming from a changed heart. I think every single one who does truly believe, is called, and is justified by God, and will therefore be glorified (Rom 8:30). Jesus said that it was His Father’s will, “that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39) These truths are given us for our comfort.

  12. 12. CJ Black Says:

    We recieve grace through exclusive faith In Christ and His Atoning work @ Calvary. Hallelujah!

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